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Post by RhodoraO on Feb 19, 2019 0:36:39 GMT
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Post by Watcher on Feb 19, 2019 2:00:19 GMT
Unfortunately it’s not gonna win any Oscars. Malek has got it sewn up now I’m afraid.
Have you seen any of the secret / anonymous Oscar ballots being published recently, Rhodora? Almost all of them are voting for Malek, but it sounds like Bale was the runner up for most of them. Barely any of them even mentioned Bradley Cooper - he seems like a complete also ran - so you were right about one thing: Cooper wasn’t a serious threat to Bale. (but Rami Malek was!)
Disappointing, but on the other hand Bale being the only other name being frequently mentioned shows how respected he is. All he needs is the right role and he will win another Oscar. He’s too highly regarded not to.
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Post by Guest on Feb 19, 2019 5:23:05 GMT
Unfortunately it’s not gonna win any Oscars. Malek has got it sewn up now I’m afraid. Have you seen any of the secret / anonymous Oscar ballots being published recently, Rhodora? Almost all of them are voting for Malek, but it sounds like Bale was the runner up for most of them. Barely any of them even mentioned Bradley Cooper - he seems like a complete also ran - so you were right about one thing: Cooper wasn’t a serious threat to Bale. (but Rami Malek was!) Disappointing, but on the other hand Bale being the only other name being frequently mentioned shows how respected he is. All he needs is the right role and he will win another Oscar. He’s too highly regarded not to. I think as long as he doesn’t say anything stupid in interviews or speeches I think he will win. However I think his golden globe speech really turned a lot of people off and his rambling during the critics choice award. It’s kinda rude talking too long on stage when other people have little time to talk for their acceptance speeches.
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Post by RhodoraO on Feb 19, 2019 15:41:10 GMT
Yes, @watcher, and I admit I was a bit surprised. Was expecting more support for Bale than I saw. I'm really stumped how the hell Malek got everyone so easy in the bag but the truth is there are a no. of factors in his favor: 1. Dafoe and Cooper are the only other ones required to carry their movies with maximal screen time. While they both did, Dafoe's film went underseen and Cooper didn't generate any extra sympathy due to his obvious Oscar-baity direction and ass-kissing campaigning. 2. McKay's directing choices worked against a full-on showcase for Bale-as-Cheney. 3. Malek being the most solid previously unrewarded, non-white contender combined with his humble behavior, his getting Singed fired, and his very careful navigation of the awards season despite the extreme controversies.
If Vice was more of a traditional biopic relying completely on the lead performance (like Boh Rap), Bale would've been undeniable.
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Post by Watcher on Feb 19, 2019 20:12:30 GMT
.......Cooper didn't generate any extra sympathy due to his obvious Oscar-baity direction and ass-kissing campaigning..... ......If Vice was more of a traditional biopic relying completely on the lead performance (like Boh Rap), Bale would've been undeniable. A Star is Born has also been done to death. General audiences may have gone for it, but the Academy is full of old people who have seen it all before. Many of them were probably alive when the Judy Garland / James Mason version originally opened in the early 1950s and many of them probably think that version is better. The first two versions of it are still widely considered classics, and there are hundreds of unofficial versions of it too. I never thought Cooper would win Best Actor or Best Picture for that. Remake fatigue is a real phenomenon. Scorsese won for The Departed, but that was for a remake of a little seen foreign language movie. I’m amazed so few pundits saw this or failed to see how Cooper was far from the frontrunner they assumed he was. He’s probably in fourth place behind Malek, Bale, and Mortensen. As for Bale, his willingness to take risks and go outside the box with challenging directors is why many of us love him, but it’s also, I’m afraid, why The Fighter is the only movie where he ever became the frontrunner to win. It’s one of his most conventional movies and crowd pleasers. He rarely makes crowd pleasers, and while I get why he loves the experimentalism of Terence Malick, for instance, I hope he doesn’t work with Malick again: his movies don’t sell tickets and they favor cinematography and editing over acting. Hate to say it but looking over the winners of Oscars for acting and they almost all are for conventionally directed movies. The more the director experiments with visual style and editing and camera angles, the less likely the actor is to win the Oscar, even if they get nominated. Too bad he’s never reteamed with Spielberg. If Spielberg gave him a Lincoln type role he’d win in a heartbeat.
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Post by RhodoraO on Feb 19, 2019 22:21:14 GMT
Well, we should be amazed that Bale has already won something BIG this season: an acting maestro stature that in the contemporary leads crop only Day-Lewis and Washington has achieved before him. Super Special to be this exclusive, with only ONE non-lead Oscar to boot!!
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Post by Pinkman on Feb 20, 2019 0:29:33 GMT
.......Cooper didn't generate any extra sympathy due to his obvious Oscar-baity direction and ass-kissing campaigning..... ......If Vice was more of a traditional biopic relying completely on the lead performance (like Boh Rap), Bale would've been undeniable. A Star is Born has also been done to death. General audiences may have gone for it, but the Academy is full of old people who have seen it all before. Many of them were probably alive when the Judy Garland / James Mason version originally opened in the early 1950s and many of them probably think that version is better. The first two versions of it are still widely considered classics, and there are hundreds of unofficial versions of it too. I never thought Cooper would win Best Actor or Best Picture for that. Remake fatigue is a real phenomenon. Scorsese won for The Departed, but that was for a remake of a little seen foreign language movie. I’m amazed so few pundits saw this or failed to see how Cooper was far from the frontrunner they assumed he was. He’s probably in fourth place behind Malek, Bale, and Mortensen. As for Bale, his willingness to take risks and go outside the box with challenging directors is why many of us love him, but it’s also, I’m afraid, why The Fighter is the only movie where he ever became the frontrunner to win. It’s one of his most conventional movies and crowd pleasers. He rarely makes crowd pleasers, and while I get why he loves the experimentalism of Terence Malick, for instance, I hope he doesn’t work with Malick again: his movies don’t sell tickets and they favor cinematography and editing over acting. Hate to say it but looking over the winners of Oscars for acting and they almost all are for conventionally directed movies. The more the director experiments with visual style and editing and camera angles, the less likely the actor is to win the Oscar, even if they get nominated. Too bad he’s never reteamed with Spielberg. If Spielberg gave him a Lincoln type role he’d win in a heartbeat. He should work with Anderson
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Post by Guest on Feb 20, 2019 2:32:58 GMT
.......Cooper didn't generate any extra sympathy due to his obvious Oscar-baity direction and ass-kissing campaigning..... ......If Vice was more of a traditional biopic relying completely on the lead performance (like Boh Rap), Bale would've been undeniable. A Star is Born has also been done to death. General audiences may have gone for it, but the Academy is full of old people who have seen it all before. Many of them were probably alive when the Judy Garland / James Mason version originally opened in the early 1950s and many of them probably think that version is better. The first two versions of it are still widely considered classics, and there are hundreds of unofficial versions of it too. I never thought Cooper would win Best Actor or Best Picture for that. Remake fatigue is a real phenomenon. Scorsese won for The Departed, but that was for a remake of a little seen foreign language movie. I’m amazed so few pundits saw this or failed to see how Cooper was far from the frontrunner they assumed he was. He’s probably in fourth place behind Malek, Bale, and Mortensen. As for Bale, his willingness to take risks and go outside the box with challenging directors is why many of us love him, but it’s also, I’m afraid, why The Fighter is the only movie where he ever became the frontrunner to win. It’s one of his most conventional movies and crowd pleasers. He rarely makes crowd pleasers, and while I get why he loves the experimentalism of Terence Malick, for instance, I hope he doesn’t work with Malick again: his movies don’t sell tickets and they favor cinematography and editing over acting. Hate to say it but looking over the winners of Oscars for acting and they almost all are for conventionally directed movies. The more the director experiments with visual style and editing and camera angles, the less likely the actor is to win the Oscar, even if they get nominated. Too bad he’s never reteamed with Spielberg. If Spielberg gave him a Lincoln type role he’d win in a heartbeat. I’m surprised Leonardo won for The Revenant since that was more cinematography more than anything lol
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Post by Watcher on Feb 20, 2019 3:28:57 GMT
Well, Leo won in part because it was his fifth try. He was a huge star famous since his teens, and at age 41 and five noms he still hadn’t won anything. I don’t he’d have gotten it for that movie otherwise.
I mean it really is all about timing, and Oscars are almost never just about the performance alone. If the order had been reversed and he’d made The Revenant at age 30 and The Aviator at age 41, his Oscar today would be for The Aviator instead I’m sure. And Glenn Close this year is going to win for The Wife mainly because she’s been nominated so many times and never won. If she already had an Oscar there’s no way she’s be winning everything for such a small film.
I think that’s true of Bale too. If he’d done Rescue Dawn shortly after The Fighter, rather than years before, that role has a lot of elements that would appeal to AMPAS and Bale might well be a two time winner already.
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Post by Watcher on Feb 20, 2019 4:00:13 GMT
Well, we should be amazed that Bale has already won something BIG this season: an acting maestro stature that in the contemporary leads crop only Day-Lewis and Washington has achieved before him. Super Special to be this exclusive, with only ONE non-lead Oscar to boot!! Another actor he has much in common with is Matt Dillon, though he’s way more acclaimed obviously. Matt Dillon doesn’t get that much respect because he doesn’t do any elaborate physical transformations or foreign accents or anything like that, so he doesn’t get the acclaim of a Streep, a Day Lewis, or a Bale. However, he’s actually extremely versatile and has many points of resemblance with Bale - - both former child stars whose big break was from a top Hollywood director (Francis Ford Coppola for Dillon, Spielberg for Bale) - both strikingly handsome men who went out of their way to avoid conventional sex symbol status - both have no specific onscreen persona nor known for a particular type of character - both have a flair for comedy and inject lots of sly humor into their roles - both unafraid to play horrible/repellent/despicable human beings Dillon is the only other actor in Hollywood who I think could have done justice to Patrick Bateman in American Psycho like Bale did, since he could’ve handled both the comedy and the brutal violence:
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Post by Guest on Feb 20, 2019 4:23:40 GMT
Well, Leo won in part because it was his fifth try. He was a huge star famous since his teens, and at age 41 and five noms he still hadn’t won anything. I don’t he’d have gotten it for that movie otherwise. I mean it really is all about timing, and Oscars are almost never just about the performance alone. If the order had been reversed and he’d made The Revenant at age 30 and The Aviator at age 41, his Oscar today would be for The Aviator instead I’m sure. And Glenn Close this year is going to win for The Wife mainly because she’s been nominated so many times and never won. If she already had an Oscar there’s no way she’s be winning everything for such a small film. I think that’s true of Bale too. If he’d done Rescue Dawn shortly after The Fighter, rather than years before, that role has a lot of elements that would appeal to AMPAS and Bale might well be a two time winner already. Damn that is true, Bale would’ve for sure gotten at least a nomination for Rescue Dawn. Rescue Dawn was an acting showcase for Bale but obviously it was very independent film at the time. I could see it being released on Netflix similar to Roma
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Post by RhodoraO on Feb 20, 2019 4:57:59 GMT
Well, people on our Awards board are already saying Bale is the type of actor who comfortably has two Oscars.
It's a matter of time, darlings ...
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Post by elpapadiablo on Feb 20, 2019 18:53:54 GMT
Well, we should be amazed that Bale has already won something BIG this season: an acting maestro stature that in the contemporary leads crop only Day-Lewis and Washington has achieved before him. Super Special to be this exclusive, with only ONE non-lead Oscar to boot!! Another actor he has much in common with is Matt Dillon, though he’s way more acclaimed obviously. Matt Dillon doesn’t get that much respect because he doesn’t do any elaborate physical transformations or foreign accents or anything like that, so he doesn’t get the acclaim of a Streep, a Day Lewis, or a Bale. However, he’s actually extremely versatile and has many points of resemblance with Bale - - both former child stars whose big break was from a top Hollywood director (Francis Ford Coppola for Dillon, Spielberg for Bale) - both strikingly handsome men who went out of their way to avoid conventional sex symbol status - both have no specific onscreen persona nor known for a particular type of character - both have a flair for comedy and inject lots of sly humor into their roles - both unafraid to play horrible/repellent/despicable human beings Dillon is the only other actor in Hollywood who I think could have done justice to Patrick Bateman in American Psycho like Bale did, since he could’ve handled both the comedy and the brutal violence: Interesting comparison, I like it. I’ve always been a huge fan of Matt Dillion and don’t think he gets anywhere near enough credit for how versatile he is. Rumble Fish, Drugstore Cowboy, Factotum, There’s something about Mary, Crash, The House that Jack built. There is some serious range right there.
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Post by fernanda on Feb 21, 2019 0:05:28 GMT
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Post by RhodoraO on Feb 21, 2019 22:42:06 GMT
Well this thread is about reactions to the movie, so I'll leave it here, fernanda I did add to it the make up bit from one of the voters. Interesting comment on Vice there.
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